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Trumpet Lip Problems

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It is very easy for a trumpet player to injure his or her lips in a variety of ways. Tissue damage can occur if the mouthpiece is forced against the lips, if one plays too long or with too much pressure without rest. Sometimes performing at full capacity while adjusting to an embrouchure change can cause problems. I cannot imagine that Wynton would do anything consciously that would impair his playing. He is just too knowledgeable about the science of trumpet playing to do that. My guess is that the injury was caused by an accident, producing a sore on his lip. When a sore occurs, the only course of action is to rest, and allow the lip heal. Freddie Hubbard once developed a sore on his lip as a result of playing a high note cutting contest with Jon Faddis ( not a very bright idea) without warming up. Then, he continued playing on it until it became infected. He required surgery, and his facility on the trumpet was greatly impaired. One can only hope that Wynton’s injury is not serious, and that he cancelled the show to rest his lip and heal the injury.

     
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Both inside and outside the lip, but more commonly outside. You know, something dumb could have happened like elbowed while playing basketball, or someone bumping into the horn while trying to warm up. Whatever it was, the post on the front page of this site indicates that Wynton just needs a few days of and then presumably, good as new!

     
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I Find when i play the trumpet for a long period of time i can’t reach top note in the register including f, g, a and all the est above that why is that?

     
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you try playing with braces!!!!

     
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I just injured my lip too…We were marching blind folded in Marching band and i ran into the back of a bass drummmer….haha

Matt

p.s. Yeah i hear ya Benedict Braces are a challenge

     
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If when you’re getting tired and cannot just stop playing, take deeper breths, also I like to run down some petal tones, to f# and even lower like Bb, these can also be played very quietly and do not carry far, so you can usually get by doing this in a loud section of music durring a performance, without being heaed.

     
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Anyone have an update on Wynton’s lip condition? Last week he had to cancel his appearance at Newport due to “lip injury”. Hopefully he will be back soon.

     
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I have an old injury (like a hernia or separation) to my lip that is getting worse. I have seen a few plastic surgeons but none of them feel they have the experience to take it on.  I have talked to an experienced Dr. in Toronto, but wish to use someone local. I am new to the bay area and feel that with all the guys in the west coast, somebody must have had this done before right? Any leads would be GREATLY appreciated!! PS. To all the young high note seeking players out there. If you use bad form for long enough, you WILL hurt yourself. It’s just a matter of time. I know, I did it. My lip popped during a 3 hr gig, 2-3 shows a day for 8 days. Small mouthpiece,  bad mechanics and pop. There goes 25 years of investment and fun. I now just hang on to lower parts, still looking for the sweet spot, which is gone.

     
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You need to get in touch with Brad Goode at the Univ of Colorado, he recently left CCM (Cincinnati, OH) for there and he has a doctor that really hooked him up a few years back….he was practicing in a mirror on the back of his studio door when a student “burst in” ...it was terrible, his top teeth went all the way through his lip…he now sounds stronger than ever…double cs and all…..good luck.

     
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Karl. I did the same thing about three years ago.I am 46 yrs old.It is still messed up but has gradually been getting beter,it as a very slow heal.Recently it has improver drastly due to a total vitimin and nutrition program designed to heal torn tissue.let me know if you want the regimine. Good Luck Pete

     
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my friend ( lead player in our jazz band )was playing football one day and i got his tooth broke in half…..he has no denist or insurance so what should he do

     
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Karl,

Assuming that the doctor in Toronto you spoke with is Simon McGrail, I would suggest that you stick with him in lieu of finding someone else.  I’ve worked with him for my own lip injury (still healing) as has Brad Goode who someone else suggested you speak with.  My teacher at school suffered a torn upper lip muscle.  After traveling all over the country, he could not find another person that he felt comfortable seeing and he visited the Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins etc.  Dr. McGrail probably has the most experience by far and if you need surgery, I wouldn’t go to anyone else.  I’m think that if you contacted Brad he would feel the same way.

On a related note, you might want to check out the book “Broken Embouchures” by Lucinda Lewis.  It is one of a very few books written about lip injuries in brass players and has some excellent advice.

 

This is just my advice and I’m no expert, but I hope it helps.  Feel free to contact me.

Robin

     
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Gotta pratice more try a cuppll hours a day, my jaw got broken and healed in a wrong position, two years and two opperations /they had to cut the mussle on my lip 2 times. I have to pratice now like I did when I was a kid, Im,53, PRATICE is the only thing I know that tightens the lip mussle. A good way to do this is with Jamie Ambersold, I find this method exciting and make praticing a lot more fun, I recommend it if you want to plkay at a higher register for a longer period. SHOOT FOR 4 HOURS>Thats about how long a gig last.

     
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hi. must read lucinda lewis’s book.

medical science needs to get into this subject as soon as possible. my full time playing career was cut short by some of these issues. another bad thing is when teachers adjust embouchures without having the necessary experience to put them right. i was able to hit super g’s as a teenager - and play all the arban studies well, yet when i got into a specialist classical institution, my teacher said i had to change position from off centre to straight down the middle. for 18 months i couldn’t hit above a ‘g’ above the stave. i was distraught. the other 3 trumpet collegues all got into the three best london music colleges, - yet i had more technique than all of them. i had litle interest in practising thereafter. But there’s a happy ending - i was struggling with these basic embouchure issues until i took on a gospel gig in Germany (aged 20 at the time).The music was all ad lib - so i didn’t have to ‘get it right’ as such. it was the last day, i tried warming up and a new lip position came into my consiousness - to roll my lips more as if i was saying the letter ‘m’ - leaving more space for lip muscle above the mouthpiece.

from that day on - my range improved by at least an octave, and i attribute this to God - i really do.